Comments on: Bush Lies, Salmon Die: President to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/ Patriotism that loves our country, our land, and our planet Wed, 23 May 2012 01:08:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: No Commercial Salmon Season in California for Second Year in a Row | Blue Living Ideas http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-43470 No Commercial Salmon Season in California for Second Year in a Row | Blue Living Ideas Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:04:30 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-43470 [...] ban cost coastal communities $250 million and over 2,200 people lost their jobs.  We must fix our rivers to fix our economy. Share and [...] [...] ban cost coastal communities $250 million and over 2,200 people lost their jobs.  We must fix our rivers to fix our economy. Share and [...]

]]> By: Will the Klamath Dams’ Removal Benefit Farmers or Be Traded for New Dams in CA? : Red, Green, and Blue http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-14762 Will the Klamath Dams’ Removal Benefit Farmers or Be Traded for New Dams in CA? : Red, Green, and Blue Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:13:53 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-14762 [...] kills, are owned by the richest man in America Warren Buffett, do not provide green energy, have shut down west coast fisheries, and have hurt the Native American culture.  Of course, since the Bush administration negotiated [...] [...] kills, are owned by the richest man in America Warren Buffett, do not provide green energy, have shut down west coast fisheries, and have hurt the Native American culture.  Of course, since the Bush administration negotiated [...]

]]> By: 85 Pound Sacramento River Chinook Salmon Result of Closed Ocean Fishing : Ecoscraps http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-13035 85 Pound Sacramento River Chinook Salmon Result of Closed Ocean Fishing : Ecoscraps Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:48 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-13035 [...] had recently spawned and died on Battle Creek, a tributary of the Sacramento River. Due to a canceled commercial fishing season in the Pacific Ocean, this fish was able to live a full life and probably weighed 90 pounds before beginning its journey [...] [...] had recently spawned and died on Battle Creek, a tributary of the Sacramento River. Due to a canceled commercial fishing season in the Pacific Ocean, this fish was able to live a full life and probably weighed 90 pounds before beginning its journey [...]

]]> By: Got Fish? Utah’s Got Six Million For You. : Planetsave http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5729 Got Fish? Utah’s Got Six Million For You. : Planetsave Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:46:35 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-5729 [...] Bush Lies, Salmon Die: President to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis [...] [...] Bush Lies, Salmon Die: President to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis [...]

]]> By: Canadian Groups Battle Large-Scale Hydropower Bound for U.S. Electricity Markets : Red, Green, and Blue http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5124 Canadian Groups Battle Large-Scale Hydropower Bound for U.S. Electricity Markets : Red, Green, and Blue Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:28:22 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-5124 [...] Bush Lies Salmon Die: President Bush to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis [...] [...] Bush Lies Salmon Die: President Bush to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis [...]

]]> By: US Seafood Consumption: Is Aquaculture the Answer? : Red, Green, and Blue http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-4864 US Seafood Consumption: Is Aquaculture the Answer? : Red, Green, and Blue Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:47:10 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-4864 [...] “Bush Lies, Salmon Die: President to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis” [...] [...] “Bush Lies, Salmon Die: President to Blame for West Coast Salmon Crisis” [...]

]]> By: Jennifer Lance http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-1577 Jennifer Lance Sat, 31 May 2008 12:48:02 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-1577 "Congressional Democrats on Thursday angrily accused federal fishery officials of using scientific reports to cover up the depth of the risks to salmon populations from the diversion of river water to farming on the West Coast." <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/260/story/37236.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/260/story/37236.html</a> "Congressional Democrats on Thursday angrily accused federal fishery officials of using scientific reports to cover up the depth of the risks to salmon populations from the diversion of river water to farming on the West Coast."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/260/story/37236.html

]]> By: Jennifer Lance http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-848 Jennifer Lance Sat, 24 May 2008 17:59:18 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-848 The SacBee featured a story about the failures of the National Marine Fisheries Service. <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/942060.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/942060.html</a> The SacBee featured a story about the failures of the National Marine Fisheries Service.
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/942060.html

]]> By: Jennifer Lance http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-808 Jennifer Lance Sat, 24 May 2008 09:00:05 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-808 I suppose I should clarify: Perhaps Bush himself did not tell scientists to lie, but someone in his administration did. When you are the leader, you do have to take the fall for what decisions occur under you, and his administration is responsible for covering up one cause of the salmon collapse (delta water diversion), so I do blame Bush. This especially true for the water diversion decisions on the Klamath, after the Clinton administration (Bruce Babbitt) restored water flow to the river. This may be a leap for you if you don't feel that leaders should be held responsible. As far as the term "ironic", I was a vegetarian long before my husband became a commercial fisherman. It was his decision, which I supported. I included this statement, because most of my friends are always shocked to learn I have never even tasted the salmon or crab he catches and they covet. That's where I find irony, but it is not that unusual. Our local butcher's wife is also a vegetarian. I suppose it would be more ironic if I was the one catching the fish. Dave, the Klamath Dams are not responsible for the current salmon crisis, as the closure is caused by the Sacramento River. The Klamath numbers are up this year, but I do still support dam removal on the Klamath. I am always amazed at how people feel the need to be rude and attack blog writers with their comments. I think disagreement is important, and I learn from hearing about our reader's opinions, that's why I agree with publishing comments that include personal attacks. I suppose I should clarify: Perhaps Bush himself did not tell scientists to lie, but someone in his administration did. When you are the leader, you do have to take the fall for what decisions occur under you, and his administration is responsible for covering up one cause of the salmon collapse (delta water diversion), so I do blame Bush. This especially true for the water diversion decisions on the Klamath, after the Clinton administration (Bruce Babbitt) restored water flow to the river. This may be a leap for you if you don't feel that leaders should be held responsible.

As far as the term "ironic", I was a vegetarian long before my husband became a commercial fisherman. It was his decision, which I supported. I included this statement, because most of my friends are always shocked to learn I have never even tasted the salmon or crab he catches and they covet. That's where I find irony, but it is not that unusual. Our local butcher's wife is also a vegetarian. I suppose it would be more ironic if I was the one catching the fish.

Dave, the Klamath Dams are not responsible for the current salmon crisis, as the closure is caused by the Sacramento River. The Klamath numbers are up this year, but I do still support dam removal on the Klamath.

I am always amazed at how people feel the need to be rude and attack blog writers with their comments. I think disagreement is important, and I learn from hearing about our reader's opinions, that's why I agree with publishing comments that include personal attacks.

]]> By: Davey Jones http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-806 Davey Jones Sat, 24 May 2008 08:20:52 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/05/22/president-bush-to-blame-for-west-coast-salmon-crisis/#comment-806 Dave, I agree that Jennifer does kind of make a leap in her logic from the Klamath Dams to GWB to salmon extinction -- and in so doing shoots her argument in the foot, but there are probably nicer ways to say that, aren't there? I mean, are you in charge of anything more important than wiping yourself? And besides, what could be more important than that? What I take issue with is the phrase "kinda ironic." It's ironic that you're a vegetarian, maybe, depending on the reasons; but it's not at all ironic that despite this your family is supported by commercial fishing -- unless they made the decision after you became a vegetarian, which I doubt. Yeah, right, who cares what I think? Dave, I agree that Jennifer does kind of make a leap in her logic from the Klamath Dams to GWB to salmon extinction — and in so doing shoots her argument in the foot, but there are probably nicer ways to say that, aren't there? I mean, are you in charge of anything more important than wiping yourself? And besides, what could be more important than that?

What I take issue with is the phrase "kinda ironic." It's ironic that you're a vegetarian, maybe, depending on the reasons; but it's not at all ironic that despite this your family is supported by commercial fishing — unless they made the decision after you became a vegetarian, which I doubt.

Yeah, right, who cares what I think?

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