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	<title>Comments on: White House Newsflash:  Global Warming VERY LIKELY Caused by Human</title>
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		<title>By: Part 1: Almost 4 Weeks Later, 489 California Wildfires Still Burning : Planetsave</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-3708</link>
		<dc:creator>Part 1: Almost 4 Weeks Later, 489 California Wildfires Still Burning : Planetsave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but they leave the forest more prone to high intensity fires.  What needs to happen to deal with increase in western wildfires, as predicted by climate change reports, as well as the lack of resources currently available to fight these fires, is small diameter trees [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but they leave the forest more prone to high intensity fires.  What needs to happen to deal with increase in western wildfires, as predicted by climate change reports, as well as the lack of resources currently available to fight these fires, is small diameter trees [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 700 California Wildfires: Why Don&#8217;t We Have Enough Firefighing Resources? : Red, Green, and Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>700 California Wildfires: Why Don&#8217;t We Have Enough Firefighing Resources? : Red, Green, and Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shambles.  National Guard troops and resources are in Iraq, and local agencies are underfunded.  Increased wildfires have been predicted as a result of global warming; this should not have hit us out of the blue. If we can&#8217;t handle natural disasters on our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] shambles.  National Guard troops and resources are in Iraq, and local agencies are underfunded.  Increased wildfires have been predicted as a result of global warming; this should not have hit us out of the blue. If we can&#8217;t handle natural disasters on our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chemrat</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2596</link>
		<dc:creator>chemrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Lance, I like your writing and your thoughts.  Would that another planet could welcome the Republicans...

I have used DIGG to tag this article and will recommend that people visit this site regularly.

For the health of the planet, for national and international security, our own health, and our economies, it makes a great deal of sense to move away from carbon-based fuels, including gasoline and coal, toward renewable energy sources like solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric power.

It is particularly interesting that Norway, an exporter of oil and natural gas, is planning to shift to wind power.  They don&#039;t have a &quot;foreign oil problem.&quot;  

The claims often made by global warming skeptics that switching to renewable energy will damage our economy are simply untrue.  We will damage our economy if we don&#039;t make the switch: why would we want our future to be tied to the rising price of oil?  The governments of Holland, Norway, Spain, Germany and the UK are making significant investments in renewable energy.  Are they trying to ruin their own economies?  I don&#039;t think so, and the Euro seems much stronger than the dollar.  

What we need to do is implement currently-available renewable energy technologies in the US, and in every country, while continuing to push forward with R&amp;D on better, more efficient versions.  The countries that delay will just end up buying the technology from the countries that act first. Germany and China are already building solar panel plants at double-capacity as a plan to meet the eventual, massive need in the US.  

These specific suggestions are directed at correspondent &quot;Bias&quot; and to the general reader.  The suggestions are concrete, straightforward and economically much more viable than continuing to buy oil at our current pace.  They are much more environmentally viable than burning carbon fuels.  

It really doesn&#039;t even matter if there is dispute about man-made global warming or not, in the sense that these suggestions are a logical conclusion that can be reached without invoking GW.  The predictions that are obviously and indisputably coming true are that Western economies are crumbling if and when they insist on remaining dependent on oil.  That is happening now, and has been happening for a good while.  So, let&#039;s fix the problem while keeping the environment safe.

A few other remarks for the skeptics here:

I think is highly hypocritical of any American to clamor for more nuclear power.  The truth is that we want that kind of power ONLY if the plants are built in someone else&#039;s back yard and the waste is transported through and stored in someone else&#039;s City, State or country.  This fear is for good reason.  Nuclear power plants are dangerous.  They can explode.  They heat up fresh water and air, which damages the environment.  They provide material for terrorists and state-sponsored nuclear weapons.  They generate waste that we don&#039;t know how to store, that is highly toxic, and that lasts forever (or long enough that it might as well be forever).  If people tell you that there are safe ways of storing nuclear waste, they are either misinformed or dissembling.  It isn&#039;t true. 

So, let&#039;s get solar, wind power, and other sustainable energy equipment fabrication plants and power plants built in coal country and elsewhere, to provide jobs, to provide the power for our future, to rid us of our need for foreign oil, and to protect the environment.

Much of the rest of the world is getting this right.  There are problems, of course, like the environmental pollution caused by Chinese &quot;wildcat electronics recycling efforts&quot; that are poisoning air, land and water, and the Chinese polycrystalline silicon plants that supply conventional solar panels while dumping toxic waste in rural areas.  This pollution of rural China is senseless.  Western manufacturers know how to avoid it, and so do the Chinese, but China doesn&#039;t have the national will to protect its own people or environment... kind of the way the White House wants the EPA to ignore science, to the detriment of the health and environment of the USA.  

So, we must look to Europe in many cases to find the best working systems that combine economics and environmental concerns.  Let&#039;s get started!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Lance, I like your writing and your thoughts.  Would that another planet could welcome the Republicans&#8230;</p>
<p>I have used DIGG to tag this article and will recommend that people visit this site regularly.</p>
<p>For the health of the planet, for national and international security, our own health, and our economies, it makes a great deal of sense to move away from carbon-based fuels, including gasoline and coal, toward renewable energy sources like solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric power.</p>
<p>It is particularly interesting that Norway, an exporter of oil and natural gas, is planning to shift to wind power.  They don&#8217;t have a &#8220;foreign oil problem.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The claims often made by global warming skeptics that switching to renewable energy will damage our economy are simply untrue.  We will damage our economy if we don&#8217;t make the switch: why would we want our future to be tied to the rising price of oil?  The governments of Holland, Norway, Spain, Germany and the UK are making significant investments in renewable energy.  Are they trying to ruin their own economies?  I don&#8217;t think so, and the Euro seems much stronger than the dollar.  </p>
<p>What we need to do is implement currently-available renewable energy technologies in the US, and in every country, while continuing to push forward with R&amp;D on better, more efficient versions.  The countries that delay will just end up buying the technology from the countries that act first. Germany and China are already building solar panel plants at double-capacity as a plan to meet the eventual, massive need in the US.  </p>
<p>These specific suggestions are directed at correspondent &#8220;Bias&#8221; and to the general reader.  The suggestions are concrete, straightforward and economically much more viable than continuing to buy oil at our current pace.  They are much more environmentally viable than burning carbon fuels.  </p>
<p>It really doesn&#8217;t even matter if there is dispute about man-made global warming or not, in the sense that these suggestions are a logical conclusion that can be reached without invoking GW.  The predictions that are obviously and indisputably coming true are that Western economies are crumbling if and when they insist on remaining dependent on oil.  That is happening now, and has been happening for a good while.  So, let&#8217;s fix the problem while keeping the environment safe.</p>
<p>A few other remarks for the skeptics here:</p>
<p>I think is highly hypocritical of any American to clamor for more nuclear power.  The truth is that we want that kind of power ONLY if the plants are built in someone else&#8217;s back yard and the waste is transported through and stored in someone else&#8217;s City, State or country.  This fear is for good reason.  Nuclear power plants are dangerous.  They can explode.  They heat up fresh water and air, which damages the environment.  They provide material for terrorists and state-sponsored nuclear weapons.  They generate waste that we don&#8217;t know how to store, that is highly toxic, and that lasts forever (or long enough that it might as well be forever).  If people tell you that there are safe ways of storing nuclear waste, they are either misinformed or dissembling.  It isn&#8217;t true. </p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s get solar, wind power, and other sustainable energy equipment fabrication plants and power plants built in coal country and elsewhere, to provide jobs, to provide the power for our future, to rid us of our need for foreign oil, and to protect the environment.</p>
<p>Much of the rest of the world is getting this right.  There are problems, of course, like the environmental pollution caused by Chinese &#8220;wildcat electronics recycling efforts&#8221; that are poisoning air, land and water, and the Chinese polycrystalline silicon plants that supply conventional solar panels while dumping toxic waste in rural areas.  This pollution of rural China is senseless.  Western manufacturers know how to avoid it, and so do the Chinese, but China doesn&#8217;t have the national will to protect its own people or environment&#8230; kind of the way the White House wants the EPA to ignore science, to the detriment of the health and environment of the USA.  </p>
<p>So, we must look to Europe in many cases to find the best working systems that combine economics and environmental concerns.  Let&#8217;s get started!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Lance</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chrisPC88, my computer is powered by a micro hydro turbine that powers my home. You are correct thought about my ISP, etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chrisPC88, my computer is powered by a micro hydro turbine that powers my home. You are correct thought about my ISP, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: chrispc88</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2184</link>
		<dc:creator>chrispc88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jennifer Lance, I take it your computer is powered by solar, wind, or water - as well as your ISP, and for that matter the entire internet! lol  (in case you missed it, since your posting - your using electricity, which in most parts of the world is generated in such a way that &#039;contributes&#039; to co2 output) 
 
Everything I&#039;ve been able to read about this for many years now leads me to believe the current temp changes are nothing but normal - and mostly caused by our SUN.  Thus explaining the climate changes noted by NASA on both Mars and Jupiter.  I would suspect that if we were/are watching all planets, that there has been these same changes on all of them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jennifer Lance, I take it your computer is powered by solar, wind, or water &#8211; as well as your ISP, and for that matter the entire internet! lol  (in case you missed it, since your posting &#8211; your using electricity, which in most parts of the world is generated in such a way that &#039;contributes&#039; to co2 output)</p>
<p>Everything I&#039;ve been able to read about this for many years now leads me to believe the current temp changes are nothing but normal &#8211; and mostly caused by our SUN.  Thus explaining the climate changes noted by NASA on both Mars and Jupiter.  I would suspect that if we were/are watching all planets, that there has been these same changes on all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Manns</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2177</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Manns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you drive your own car, do you buy gasohol to contribute to the tortilla prices in Mexico?  I live on the grid; an economically efficient grid designed by markets through competition.  I buy 100% gasoline which gets better fuel economy than gasohol, and my conscience is a clear as yours.  My engine parts will not be eroded by ethyl alcohol and my vehicle is ten years old eaded for twenty because of gasoline.  Did I mention I do not believe in using food for fuel. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you drive your own car, do you buy gasohol to contribute to the tortilla prices in Mexico?  I live on the grid; an economically efficient grid designed by markets through competition.  I buy 100% gasoline which gets better fuel economy than gasohol, and my conscience is a clear as yours.  My engine parts will not be eroded by ethyl alcohol and my vehicle is ten years old eaded for twenty because of gasoline.  Did I mention I do not believe in using food for fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Cpt. Notso Obvious</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2176</link>
		<dc:creator>Cpt. Notso Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good old America tests atmospheric nuclear bombs 300 miles above Antarctica on 8-27-1958, 8-30-1958, and 9-6-1958. In 1985 a hole in the ozone layer is discovered over Antarctica. 
 
IMO global warming is man made. But more specifically military made. The military/scientists have poisoned our earth. They are to blame. Global warming isn&#039;t a fraud. Blaming the citizens is the fraud. 
 
Nuclear testing = poisoned earth = poisoned atmosphere and there is no take-backs. The damage is done. Thanks war mongers. Thanks Nazi CIA and Project Paperclip. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good old America tests atmospheric nuclear bombs 300 miles above Antarctica on 8-27-1958, 8-30-1958, and 9-6-1958. In 1985 a hole in the ozone layer is discovered over Antarctica.</p>
<p>IMO global warming is man made. But more specifically military made. The military/scientists have poisoned our earth. They are to blame. Global warming isn&#039;t a fraud. Blaming the citizens is the fraud.</p>
<p>Nuclear testing = poisoned earth = poisoned atmosphere and there is no take-backs. The damage is done. Thanks war mongers. Thanks Nazi CIA and Project Paperclip.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Lance</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, the link in the post that reads &#8220;Scientific Assesment of the Effects of Global Change on the United States,&#8221; report takes you to the document.  Thanks for leaving a respectful disagreement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, the link in the post that reads &ldquo;Scientific Assesment of the Effects of Global Change on the United States,&rdquo; report takes you to the document.  Thanks for leaving a respectful disagreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Lance</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record Bias, I live off-the-grid (and have for 15 years) in the mountains.  I grow most of my own food, and I realize that each time I drive my car, I am contributing to global warming (and not MOST LIKELY, but DEFINITELY). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record Bias, I live off-the-grid (and have for 15 years) in the mountains.  I grow most of my own food, and I realize that each time I drive my car, I am contributing to global warming (and not MOST LIKELY, but DEFINITELY).</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Manns</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/04/white-house-newsflash-global-warming-very-likely-caused-by-human/comment-page-1/#comment-2171</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Manns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems treat voters like children on this issue offering two options on this: Cap and Trade or Carbon Tax.  What about the third way - listen to the science?  It&#039;s the sun, stupid.  The solar cycle modulates the cloud cover on the planet.   
   
Leave the carbon economy in place.  Problem however, is the intellectual construct of &quot;BIG OIL&quot;.  The state of affairs, actually is that &quot;REALLY BIG OIL&quot;, the national oil companies like Russia and Venezuela and all the rest of the inefficient, and uncompetitive national oil companies (PEMEX) have driven prices through the roof by incompetence.  They sit on 93% of the resources and reserves.  The US is suffering from NIMBY for certain, but gas in Europe is about $9.00 a gallon and rising for the same reason.  CO2 is plant food and the Democrats and their environmental lobby groups do not want you to know that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems treat voters like children on this issue offering two options on this: Cap and Trade or Carbon Tax.  What about the third way &#8211; listen to the science?  It&#039;s the sun, stupid.  The solar cycle modulates the cloud cover on the planet.  </p>
<p>Leave the carbon economy in place.  Problem however, is the intellectual construct of &quot;BIG OIL&quot;.  The state of affairs, actually is that &quot;REALLY BIG OIL&quot;, the national oil companies like Russia and Venezuela and all the rest of the inefficient, and uncompetitive national oil companies (PEMEX) have driven prices through the roof by incompetence.  They sit on 93% of the resources and reserves.  The US is suffering from NIMBY for certain, but gas in Europe is about $9.00 a gallon and rising for the same reason.  CO2 is plant food and the Democrats and their environmental lobby groups do not want you to know that.</p>
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