Comments on: NIC “Global Trends 2025″ Report: World to See Economic Growth At the Cost of Environment and Human Life http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/12/29/nic-global-trends-2025-report-world-to-see-economic-growth-at-the-cost-of-environment-and-human-life/ Patriotism that loves our country, our land, and our planet Wed, 23 May 2012 01:08:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Food Riots a Potential Outcome of Underfunded Agricultural Research : Red, Green, and Blue http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/12/29/nic-global-trends-2025-report-world-to-see-economic-growth-at-the-cost-of-environment-and-human-life/comment-page-1/#comment-52620 Food Riots a Potential Outcome of Underfunded Agricultural Research : Red, Green, and Blue Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:58:26 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2033#comment-52620 [...] the recent unrest in Indonesia and Mexico related to spiralling food prices and the suggestion that current population increases require food production to increase by 50% by 2030 for everybody to have basic food security. And [...] [...] the recent unrest in Indonesia and Mexico related to spiralling food prices and the suggestion that current population increases require food production to increase by 50% by 2030 for everybody to have basic food security. And [...]

]]> By: Czech President Doubts Global Warming Yet Again As He Attacks Al Gore’s Climate Campaign : Red, Green, and Blue http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/12/29/nic-global-trends-2025-report-world-to-see-economic-growth-at-the-cost-of-environment-and-human-life/comment-page-1/#comment-26579 Czech President Doubts Global Warming Yet Again As He Attacks Al Gore’s Climate Campaign : Red, Green, and Blue Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:50:08 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2033#comment-26579 [...] It’s an issue about energy security, one which Europe is very much aware of; it’s an issue of constant supply of food and water - many parts of the world are already suffering from severe water crisis add to that the numerous long-term drought warnings given by scientists some of which are already coming true and many experts believe that the recent food crisis was just a glimpse what the future holds for us. [...] [...] It’s an issue about energy security, one which Europe is very much aware of; it’s an issue of constant supply of food and water – many parts of the world are already suffering from severe water crisis add to that the numerous long-term drought warnings given by scientists some of which are already coming true and many experts believe that the recent food crisis was just a glimpse what the future holds for us. [...]

]]> By: Mridul Chadha http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/12/29/nic-global-trends-2025-report-world-to-see-economic-growth-at-the-cost-of-environment-and-human-life/comment-page-1/#comment-18992 Mridul Chadha Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:58:26 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2033#comment-18992 I agree with you, partly. Long term climate scenarios are difficult to predict as there are many contradictions in the predictions made using the current climate models. But some of the things that this reports talks about are already happening. We had a food crisis, US Mid West has been warned of dwindling water resources and long droughts, Spain had a very tough year and had to import water to fulfill its needs and Australia is facing one of the longest droughts in decades with two of its major rivers virtually vanished. China diverted water from rural areas to cities for the Olympics and its industries have been dumping the pollutants into rivers which has contaminated water supplies not only in China but Russia as well. Economic conditions in India would make it difficult to provide clean potable water to the growing population. In a sense, there are substantial doubts about how much the global temperature would rise or by how much the sea levels would rise or when the Arctic would go ice-free but it is almost beyond doubt that economies wouldn't stop using fossil fuels like coal and oil to power their economic growth so carbon emissions are bound to increase. I agree with you, partly. Long term climate scenarios are difficult to predict as there are many contradictions in the predictions made using the current climate models.

But some of the things that this reports talks about are already happening. We had a food crisis, US Mid West has been warned of dwindling water resources and long droughts, Spain had a very tough year and had to import water to fulfill its needs and Australia is facing one of the longest droughts in decades with two of its major rivers virtually vanished.

China diverted water from rural areas to cities for the Olympics and its industries have been dumping the pollutants into rivers which has contaminated water supplies not only in China but Russia as well. Economic conditions in India would make it difficult to provide clean potable water to the growing population.

In a sense, there are substantial doubts about how much the global temperature would rise or by how much the sea levels would rise or when the Arctic would go ice-free but it is almost beyond doubt that economies wouldn't stop using fossil fuels like coal and oil to power their economic growth so carbon emissions are bound to increase.

]]> By: Hiddukel http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/12/29/nic-global-trends-2025-report-world-to-see-economic-growth-at-the-cost-of-environment-and-human-life/comment-page-1/#comment-18971 Hiddukel Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:23:24 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2033#comment-18971 "The sky is falling, the sky is falling".... Paranoia will be the ultimate end of humanity, not climate change, not food/water shortages, not natural resource depletion. We're on a cooling trend as we speak. In the 17th century, the earth's climate was 7 degrees F. hotter than today. The climate changes all the time. Food shortages? Folks, you have to remember. These scientists are submitting HYPOTHESIS. not factual statements. For 2025, they are also using a population number that is based on our current growth rate... yet they do not know how to calculate food output growth, so they use our current year's (2008) food supply/usage. So the math looks like this. Current Population / 2008 Food Consumtion = 2008 Avg Population in 2025 / 2008 Food Consumtion = 2025 Avg The math doesn't work out. The reason they can't calculate a decent food number for 2025 is because of technology advancement. It's the same reason why in the Computer world, we never try to forsee or "predict" what WILL be, more than 1 or 2 years out. Too much could drastically change that would make our predictions look like they were concocted by a 5 year old doing a science project at the fair. It's one thing to try to do the best to prepare for anything in the future.. but for people to get all hyped up over the "What-If's" of our future... is just pure paranoia and makes no sense at all. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"….

Paranoia will be the ultimate end of humanity, not climate change, not food/water shortages, not natural resource depletion. We're on a cooling trend as we speak. In the 17th century, the earth's climate was 7 degrees F. hotter than today. The climate changes all the time. Food shortages? Folks, you have to remember. These scientists are submitting HYPOTHESIS. not factual statements. For 2025, they are also using a population number that is based on our current growth rate… yet they do not know how to calculate food output growth, so they use our current year's (2008) food supply/usage. So the math looks like this.

Current Population / 2008 Food Consumtion = 2008 Avg

Population in 2025 / 2008 Food Consumtion = 2025 Avg

The math doesn't work out. The reason they can't calculate a decent food number for 2025 is because of technology advancement. It's the same reason why in the Computer world, we never try to forsee or "predict" what WILL be, more than 1 or 2 years out. Too much could drastically change that would make our predictions look like they were concocted by a 5 year old doing a science project at the fair.

It's one thing to try to do the best to prepare for anything in the future.. but for people to get all hyped up over the "What-If's" of our future… is just pure paranoia and makes no sense at all.

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