Comments on: Population and Policy: The Elephant in the Room http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/ Patriotism that loves our country, our land, and our planet Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:35:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Reggie http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-73694 Reggie Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:33:54 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-73694 vince- that's some very good statistical cherry-picking you just performed. Maybe if you cleaned the "eco-fascistas" and 'global warming hoax' language from the comment people might believe some of the right-wing bulletpoints you've printed off and regurgitated. The ironic part is that by reading your comment, people might assume you're against recycling... but how wrong they would be, eh? Give it up. First you people were trying to downplay science, now you're trying to downplay demographics and statistics. What's next? You better keep it moving because no matter how quickly you think you can defend your irrational, science-less ideology with new critiques, there will always be more rational, thoughtful and science-touting realists than fear-mongering, nay-saying, pseudo-patriotic intelligentisia-wannabes. vince-

that's some very good statistical cherry-picking you just performed. Maybe if you cleaned the "eco-fascistas" and 'global warming hoax' language from the comment people might believe some of the right-wing bulletpoints you've printed off and regurgitated. The ironic part is that by reading your comment, people might assume you're against recycling… but how wrong they would be, eh? Give it up.

First you people were trying to downplay science, now you're trying to downplay demographics and statistics. What's next? You better keep it moving because no matter how quickly you think you can defend your irrational, science-less ideology with new critiques, there will always be more rational, thoughtful and science-touting realists than fear-mongering, nay-saying, pseudo-patriotic intelligentisia-wannabes.

]]> By: vince joy http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-73480 vince joy Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:45:47 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-73480 Along with "Global Warming", the fear of a so-called population "explosion" are the two biggest hoaxes of the last 50 years! No matter what the eco-fascist fear mongers say and do, this is what's going to happen over the next 50 years: the earth's current population - about 6.2 Billion people - is going to grow from its present level to 9.5 Billion people by the year 2060, then the earth's population is going to go into a long slow decline, indeed, the U.N - hardly a bastion of Right-Wing Capitalism - reports the population of the earth by the end of the next century will be as low as 2 Billion people! Think about that and its ramifications. This is going to happen no matter how much hand wringing and weeping the eco-fascistas engage in! Here are some additional facts the eco-fascistas don't want you to hear: Japan's population is declining NOW; Europe's population is declining NOW: Russia's population is declining NOW; China's population is already at replacement level, in other words IT"S NO LONGER GROWING; the fertility rate among 3rd world women during the 1960s was 6.6 (that's the avg. number of children these women were giving birth to during their child-bearing years), today, 3rd world women's fertility rate is BELOW 4! That is a monumental decline. I could go on and on but, suffice to say - no matter what the eco-fascists wish you to believe - THERE'S NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT! SO STOP WORRYING AND GO OUT AND HAVE FUN! Along with "Global Warming", the fear of a so-called population "explosion" are the two biggest hoaxes of the last 50 years! No matter what the eco-fascist fear mongers say and do, this is what's going to happen over the next 50 years: the earth's current population – about 6.2 Billion people – is going to grow from its present level to 9.5 Billion people by the year 2060, then the earth's population is going to go into a long slow decline, indeed, the U.N – hardly a bastion of Right-Wing Capitalism – reports the population of the earth by the end of the next century will be as low as 2 Billion people! Think about that and its ramifications. This is going to happen no matter how much hand wringing and weeping the eco-fascistas engage in! Here are some additional facts the eco-fascistas don't want you to hear: Japan's population is declining NOW; Europe's population is declining NOW: Russia's population is declining NOW; China's population is already at replacement level, in other words IT"S NO LONGER GROWING; the fertility rate among 3rd world women during the 1960s was 6.6 (that's the avg. number of children these women were giving birth to during their child-bearing years), today, 3rd world women's fertility rate is BELOW 4! That is a monumental decline. I could go on and on but, suffice to say – no matter what the eco-fascists wish you to believe – THERE'S NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT! SO STOP WORRYING AND GO OUT AND HAVE FUN!

]]> By: Population Control - Is Anyone Willing to Talk About It? : Red, Green, and Blue http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-44772 Population Control - Is Anyone Willing to Talk About It? : Red, Green, and Blue Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:08:01 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-44772 [...] Cooney of Red, Green, and Blue recently wrote a thought provoking post about the need for population control as a fundamental and necessary tool to deal with a wide range [...] [...] Cooney of Red, Green, and Blue recently wrote a thought provoking post about the need for population control as a fundamental and necessary tool to deal with a wide range [...]

]]> By: Abigail Lewis http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-42382 Abigail Lewis Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:15:21 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-42382 Population growth is at the root of all of our environmental (and social) problems. One of our worst foes in this is the Pope, who insists that even people who can't afford the children they have must not prevent further conception. But it's very difficult to get people to question the doctrine of their religion. In the U.S., population growth is actually declining among the educated, and while we face the same foe here, we also need more education. Finally, there should be no tax cuts for having more children. It's obvious that more people mean more demand on our resources, so anyone who does more than reproduce him/herself should have to pay a surcharge. Suleman should get a bill, not subsidies, from the government for those extra 13 kids. Population growth is at the root of all of our environmental (and social) problems. One of our worst foes in this is the Pope, who insists that even people who can't afford the children they have must not prevent further conception. But it's very difficult to get people to question the doctrine of their religion. In the U.S., population growth is actually declining among the educated, and while we face the same foe here, we also need more education. Finally, there should be no tax cuts for having more children. It's obvious that more people mean more demand on our resources, so anyone who does more than reproduce him/herself should have to pay a surcharge. Suleman should get a bill, not subsidies, from the government for those extra 13 kids.

]]> By: Scott Cooney http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-42061 Scott Cooney Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:37:24 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-42061 Thanks for the candid feedback, Vince. Your assertions and self-assuredness only add validity to my claims. 1. "The ultimate goal of the eco-fascists is to make the USA poorer." This statement by Vince is characteristic of the right-wing, Dumb-as-we-want-to-be mentality that has had conservatives heads buried in the sand on stem cells, climate change, and evolution, and is what keeps America falling behind the rest of the world in science and math. Why do you hate America so much, Vince, why? Is it the Freedom? What is it about freedom that you hate, Vince? 2. You miss an obvious conservative leaning point that I make about welfare reform. Would seem that you would have eaten that up, given your staunch conservatism. But I can't help but think you didn't read that far and stopped when your attention span gave up. I know, just like Sean Hannity, for you, facts and reading are hard. 3. The only reason the UN has stats that world population is going to crest out and start to decline is because of efforts like the one I just wrote about. Providing universal access to birth control has helped in every area where we've done it. Poo-pooing and name-calling don't actually get anything done. We get stuff done while you sit on the sidelines and complain about taxes and death. 4. Europe's standard of living is 'largely' similar to that of the U.S., and in many cases, actually higher. Most importantly, there has never been a study that I know of that show happiness in the U.S. higher than that of the E.U. Give me life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and you can keep GDP, # of TV's per person, or whatever measure of standard of living you'd like to keep pretending is important. Thanks for the candid feedback, Vince. Your assertions and self-assuredness only add validity to my claims.

1. "The ultimate goal of the eco-fascists is to make the USA poorer." This statement by Vince is characteristic of the right-wing, Dumb-as-we-want-to-be mentality that has had conservatives heads buried in the sand on stem cells, climate change, and evolution, and is what keeps America falling behind the rest of the world in science and math. Why do you hate America so much, Vince, why? Is it the Freedom? What is it about freedom that you hate, Vince?

2. You miss an obvious conservative leaning point that I make about welfare reform. Would seem that you would have eaten that up, given your staunch conservatism. But I can't help but think you didn't read that far and stopped when your attention span gave up. I know, just like Sean Hannity, for you, facts and reading are hard.

3. The only reason the UN has stats that world population is going to crest out and start to decline is because of efforts like the one I just wrote about. Providing universal access to birth control has helped in every area where we've done it. Poo-pooing and name-calling don't actually get anything done. We get stuff done while you sit on the sidelines and complain about taxes and death.

4. Europe's standard of living is 'largely' similar to that of the U.S., and in many cases, actually higher. Most importantly, there has never been a study that I know of that show happiness in the U.S. higher than that of the E.U. Give me life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and you can keep GDP, # of TV's per person, or whatever measure of standard of living you'd like to keep pretending is important.

]]> By: Vince Joy http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-41455 Vince Joy Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:33:21 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-41455 Cooney is a typical "sky-is-falling" eco-fascist. First of all, the statement: "Europe's standard of living is 'largely' that of the USA's" is typical of Liberal/Left "doublespeak." Europe's standard of living is ONLY 2/3 of the USA's standard of living, this is why Cooney uses such a vague term as "largely" because he does not want to tell the truth about how much better off the avg American is when compared to the avg european. Indeed, the avg poor person in the USA lives as well as the avg middle class person in Europe. The ultimate goal of the eco-fascists is to make the USA poorer. Their stated goal of stemming the world's increase in population is futile. While the eco-fascists may succeed in lowering the USA's standard of living, they will not stop the world's population growth. No matter what the eco-fascists achieve through gov't force, the world's population is going to peak at about 9.5 Billion people in or about 2060 - this is according to the UN's own demographic data! And one can hardly call the UN a "right-wing" organization! According to the data collected by the UN, population growth will continue - but at ever slowing rates. Indeed, by the middle of the 22nd century, according to the UN, the world's population will be LESS than it is today! So all you little ecofascistas can stop worrying your little heads off about population growth and start worrying about how we can start accellerating the certification process for new, clean, and safe nuclear powerplants! Cooney is a typical "sky-is-falling" eco-fascist. First of all, the statement: "Europe's standard of living is 'largely' that of the USA's" is typical of Liberal/Left "doublespeak." Europe's standard of living is ONLY 2/3 of the USA's standard of living, this is why Cooney uses such a vague term as "largely" because he does not want to tell the truth about how much better off the avg American is when compared to the avg european. Indeed, the avg poor person in the USA lives as well as the avg middle class person in Europe. The ultimate goal of the eco-fascists is to make the USA poorer. Their stated goal of stemming the world's increase in population is futile. While the eco-fascists may succeed in lowering the USA's standard of living, they will not stop the world's population growth. No matter what the eco-fascists achieve through gov't force, the world's population is going to peak at about 9.5 Billion people in or about 2060 – this is according to the UN's own demographic data! And one can hardly call the UN a "right-wing" organization! According to the data collected by the UN, population growth will continue – but at ever slowing rates. Indeed, by the middle of the 22nd century, according to the UN, the world's population will be LESS than it is today!

So all you little ecofascistas can stop worrying your little heads off about population growth and start worrying about how we can start accellerating the certification process for new, clean, and safe nuclear powerplants!

]]> By: Mary http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-41386 Mary Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:06:49 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-41386 All points are very valid. It all goes back to short attention spans, desire for bigger and better plus instant gratification -- all fed by the media. Add to that the decline of educational standards. People must be held accountable by strings on govt. handouts and disincentives for reproducing. Public policy makers are afraid to address the environmental impact of population growth because the right to have children is seen as inviolate, which has to change. If most people are not going to be responsible, there have to be personal, impactful, immediate consequences-- for the good of our planet. All points are very valid. It all goes back to short attention spans, desire for bigger and better plus instant gratification — all fed by the media. Add to that the decline of educational standards. People must be held accountable by strings on govt. handouts and disincentives for reproducing. Public policy makers are afraid to address the environmental impact of population growth because the right to have children is seen as inviolate, which has to change. If most people are not going to be responsible, there have to be personal, impactful, immediate consequences– for the good of our planet.

]]> By: Evelyn http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/03/12/population-and-policy-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-41381 Evelyn Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:14:13 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=2754#comment-41381 Thanks for saying what needs to be said. Our situation with human population and world resources isn't sustainable, even if we stabilized population today at current numbers. Birth control needs to be readily, easily available to anyone who seeks it - at no cost and no questions asked. Thanks for saying what needs to be said. Our situation with human population and world resources isn't sustainable, even if we stabilized population today at current numbers.

Birth control needs to be readily, easily available to anyone who seeks it – at no cost and no questions asked.

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