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		<title>By: Cash for Clunkers Update: Game Over Monday Night</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/08/10/how-cash-for-clunkers-is-adding-carbon/comment-page-1/#comment-64286</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash for Clunkers Update: Game Over Monday Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sales as it is &#8220;accelerating and temporarily confining them,&#8221; as explained on the Red Green and Blue [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Walsh</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/08/10/how-cash-for-clunkers-is-adding-carbon/comment-page-1/#comment-63128</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dj: Thanks for reading and posting the comment. I see your point. There is definitely a lot of negative commentary out there right now on this program. David Sanger on the NYT added his own like-minded piece to the fray today  &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12sanger.html?_r=1&amp;scp=7&amp;sq=clunkers&amp;st=cse)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12sanger.html?_r=1&amp;scp=7&amp;sq=clunkers&amp;st=cse)&lt;/a&gt;.  
 
As to the perfect and the good, I don&#039;t think the analogy applies here. No one that I have seen is looking for a perfect program.  They are saying that neither government dollars nor political will are fungible: politically, the WH can&#039;t afford any false starts, and on the financial side, it might have been better (not perfect) to spend $3 billion dollars somewhere else, like on mass transit or high-speed rail. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dj: Thanks for reading and posting the comment. I see your point. There is definitely a lot of negative commentary out there right now on this program. David Sanger on the NYT added his own like-minded piece to the fray today  <a href="http://(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12sanger.html?_r=1&amp;scp=7&amp;sq=clunkers&amp;st=cse)" rel="nofollow">(</a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12sanger.html?_r=1&#038;scp=7&#038;sq=clunkers&#038;st=cse" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12sanger.html?_r=1&#038;scp=7&#038;sq=clunkers&#038;st=cse</a>).  </p>
<p>As to the perfect and the good, I don&#039;t think the analogy applies here. No one that I have seen is looking for a perfect program.  They are saying that neither government dollars nor political will are fungible: politically, the WH can&#039;t afford any false starts, and on the financial side, it might have been better (not perfect) to spend $3 billion dollars somewhere else, like on mass transit or high-speed rail.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Walsh</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/08/10/how-cash-for-clunkers-is-adding-carbon/comment-page-1/#comment-63127</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan: 
 
Thanks for reading and commenting. As to statistics, it will obviously be some time before we have any statistics on the long-term impact of the CARS program. But, Mankiw&#039;s thesis is that you have to discount the mileage improvement by factoring in the the multiplier for increased miles driven. 69% sounds great, but I&#039;ll wait for some independent research rather than relying on a press release from the third day of the program. 
 
The numbers that we are getting now don&#039;t look good for the program&#039;s prospects as a sustainable economic stimulant or a long-term way of getting &quot;clunkers&quot; off the road.  
 
As Edmunds.com reported  &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090811-710587.html),&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090811-710587.html),&lt;/a&gt; CARS rebates peaked in the first few days of the program, and industry watchers now have some concerns about a production bubble in auto manufacturing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan:</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and commenting. As to statistics, it will obviously be some time before we have any statistics on the long-term impact of the CARS program. But, Mankiw&#039;s thesis is that you have to discount the mileage improvement by factoring in the the multiplier for increased miles driven. 69% sounds great, but I&#039;ll wait for some independent research rather than relying on a press release from the third day of the program.</p>
<p>The numbers that we are getting now don&#039;t look good for the program&#039;s prospects as a sustainable economic stimulant or a long-term way of getting &quot;clunkers&quot; off the road. </p>
<p>As Edmunds.com reported  <a href="http://(http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090811-710587.html)," rel="nofollow">(</a><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090811-710587.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090811-710587.html</a>), CARS rebates peaked in the first few days of the program, and industry watchers now have some concerns about a production bubble in auto manufacturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/08/10/how-cash-for-clunkers-is-adding-carbon/comment-page-1/#comment-63071</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed strange... Joe, what statistic shows it&#039;s &quot;adding carbon&quot; 
 
Surely 69% fuel economy improvement is hardly going to add carbon. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS220940+28-Jul-2009+PRN20090728&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS2...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
We should be celebrating getting al these 5 mpg to 17 mpg vehicles off the road. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed strange&#8230; Joe, what statistic shows it&#039;s &quot;adding carbon&quot;</p>
<p>Surely 69% fuel economy improvement is hardly going to add carbon.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS220940+28-Jul-2009+PRN20090728" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS2&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>We should be celebrating getting al these 5 mpg to 17 mpg vehicles off the road.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
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		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Can you believe what an industry nay-saying has become?  I don&#039;t ever remember a time in my life when there were so many people who come out of the wordwork just to snipe at other people&#039;s ideas. 
 
This one is a great example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.  Is Cash-for-Clunkers a good idea?  Of course!  Any idiot can see that it&#039;s a good idea!!!  But is it perfect?  Might it even have some neglible negative side-effects?  Maybe so. 
 
So then the nay-sayers would have us do what?  Nothing?!?  I wonder if FDR had to put up with this kinda crap. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Can you believe what an industry nay-saying has become?  I don&#039;t ever remember a time in my life when there were so many people who come out of the wordwork just to snipe at other people&#039;s ideas.</p>
<p>This one is a great example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.  Is Cash-for-Clunkers a good idea?  Of course!  Any idiot can see that it&#039;s a good idea!!!  But is it perfect?  Might it even have some neglible negative side-effects?  Maybe so.</p>
<p>So then the nay-sayers would have us do what?  Nothing?!?  I wonder if FDR had to put up with this kinda crap.</p>
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