Comments on: Copenhagen Week One: Climategate, China, and the Obama Nobel Play http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/ Patriotism that loves our country, our land, and our planet Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:35:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Democracy Center http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-91469 Democracy Center Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:28:24 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-91469 Here at the Democracy Center we are working hard to draw attention to the impact of climate change already happening in some of the most vulnerable parts of the world. We've recently produced: A a video on Bolivia's melting glaciers <a href="http://(http://democracyctr.org/blog/2009/12/visit-to-cemetery-of-glaciers.html)" rel="nofollow">(http://democracyctr.org/blog/2009/12/visit-to-cemetery-of-glaciers.html)</a> A new article in Yes! Magazine <a href="http://(http://www.yesmagazine.org/planet/as-glaciers-melt-bolivia-fights-for-the-good-life)" rel="nofollow">(http://www.yesmagazine.org/planet/as-glaciers-melt-bolivia-fights-for-the-good-life)</a>. We are also getting ready to report on the upcoming World People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth <a href="http://(http://democracyctr.org/blog/2010/03/global-climate-change-conference-coming.html)," rel="nofollow">(http://democracyctr.org/blog/2010/03/global-climate-change-conference-coming.html),</a> an alternative response to failures of Copenhagen. Keep your eyes out for our coverage! <a href="http://(www.democracyctr.org)" rel="nofollow">(www.democracyctr.org)</a> Here at the Democracy Center we are working hard to draw attention to the impact of climate change already happening in some of the most vulnerable parts of the world. We've recently produced:

A a video on Bolivia's melting glaciers (http://democracyctr.org/blog/2009/12/visit-to-cemetery-of-glaciers.html)

A new article in Yes! Magazine (http://www.yesmagazine.org/planet/as-glaciers-melt-bolivia-fights-for-the-good-life).

We are also getting ready to report on the upcoming World People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth (http://democracyctr.org/blog/2010/03/global-climate-change-conference-coming.html), an alternative response to failures of Copenhagen.

Keep your eyes out for our coverage!

(www.democracyctr.org)

]]> By: Todd in Sacramento http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77731 Todd in Sacramento Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:54:45 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77731 The 'real' cause of Global Warming? ----> U.N.scientific Data <---- The 'real' cause of Global Warming?

—-> U.N.scientific Data <—-

]]> By: O.B. Ron Quixote http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77452 O.B. Ron Quixote Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:14:47 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77452 As James F. so simply put it, ClimateGate is not going away because people like him won't let it. This has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with emails. It has everything to do with the computer code in the climate model. And the code is irrefutably fraudulent! The emails only establish intent. Don't f*ck with programmers! We know what we're talking about and we know more than you idiot "journalists." Have a nice day! As James F. so simply put it, ClimateGate is not going away because people like him won't let it.

This has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with emails. It has everything to do with the computer code in the climate model. And the code is irrefutably fraudulent! The emails only establish intent.

Don't f*ck with programmers! We know what we're talking about and we know more than you idiot "journalists."

Have a nice day!

]]> By: John A. Jauregui http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77443 John A. Jauregui Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:46:59 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77443 Are you angry about this obvious fraud and the national media's complicity in the cover-up, misinformation, reframing and misdirection of the issue? Take responsibility and take action. STOP all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud. STOP donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund. They have violated the public trust. KEEP donations local, close to home. MAKE donations to Oklahoma’s Senator Inhofe, the only politician to stand firmly against this obvious government/media coordinated information operation (propaganda) targeted at its own people. People that government leaders and employees are sworn to protect. WRITE your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible. WRITE your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed. Carbon is the stuff of life. He (Obama) who controls carbon, especially CO2, controls the world. Think of the consequences if you do nothing! For one, the UK is becoming the poster child for George Orwell’s “1984” and the US government’s sponsorship of this worldwide Global Warming propaganda campaign puts it in a class with the failed Soviet Union’s relentless violation of the basic human right to truthful government generated information. Given ClimateGate’s burgeoning revelations of outrageous government misconduct and massive covert misinformation, what are the chances that this Administration’s National Health Care sales campaign is anywhere near the truth? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdneX1djD0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdneX1djD0</a> Are you angry about this obvious fraud and the national media's complicity in the cover-up, misinformation, reframing and misdirection of the issue? Take responsibility and take action. STOP all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud. STOP donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund. They have violated the public trust. KEEP donations local, close to home. MAKE donations to Oklahoma’s Senator Inhofe, the only politician to stand firmly against this obvious government/media coordinated information operation (propaganda) targeted at its own people. People that government leaders and employees are sworn to protect. WRITE your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible. WRITE your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed. Carbon is the stuff of life. He (Obama) who controls carbon, especially CO2, controls the world. Think of the consequences if you do nothing! For one, the UK is becoming the poster child for George Orwell’s “1984” and the US government’s sponsorship of this worldwide Global Warming propaganda campaign puts it in a class with the failed Soviet Union’s relentless violation of the basic human right to truthful government generated information. Given ClimateGate’s burgeoning revelations of outrageous government misconduct and massive covert misinformation, what are the chances that this Administration’s National Health Care sales campaign is anywhere near the truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdneX1djD0

]]> By: ralph http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77296 ralph Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:33:37 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77296 Truly a "fudge" article. And certainly the sheep at the Copenhagen conference would not find it in their interest to bring up such troubling facts as climategate has revealed. Why spoil the fun? But wait till they get home ... Truly a “fudge” article. And certainly the sheep at the Copenhagen conference would not find it in their interest to bring up such troubling facts as climategate has revealed. Why spoil the fun? But wait till they get home …

]]> By: James F http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77265 James F Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:56:48 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77265 Ah, from a reporting start to an advocate finish, hoping we aren't "too late". Almost managed to find a story written by a journalist, not a believer. But not quite. Climategate isn't going away. It isn't, because in the past week 3 more studies of specific temperature stations that feed into IPCC reports have found not just fudging, but clear fraud. Adjustments of 2 degrees off the early part of last century, 2 degrees on to the latter part. Which creates warming, of course. More will come. The entire "homogenized" temperature record is a crock, and all raw data must be made available for comparison against the fiddled science. Check out: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/sticky-for-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/ http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/11/giss-raw-station-data-before-and-after/ And it won't go away because ordinary, if slightly nerdy, people like me won't let it. For the first time in my life I'm ready to go onto the streets to stop this. As are many law-abiding, ordinary friends. There is an energy in this that will dwarf anything that is expected. Just give us a trigger and you will see. Ah, from a reporting start to an advocate finish, hoping we aren’t “too late”. Almost managed to find a story written by a journalist, not a believer. But not quite.

Climategate isn’t going away. It isn’t, because in the past week 3 more studies of specific temperature stations that feed into IPCC reports have found not just fudging, but clear fraud. Adjustments of 2 degrees off the early part of last century, 2 degrees on to the latter part. Which creates warming, of course. More will come. The entire “homogenized” temperature record is a crock, and all raw data must be made available for comparison against the fiddled science.
Check out: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/sticky-for-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/11/giss-raw-station-data-before-and-after/

And it won’t go away because ordinary, if slightly nerdy, people like me won’t let it. For the first time in my life I’m ready to go onto the streets to stop this. As are many law-abiding, ordinary friends. There is an energy in this that will dwarf anything that is expected. Just give us a trigger and you will see.

]]> By: Alan C. http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77236 Alan C. Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:42:07 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77236 Let us hope that by the time we are, it is not too late." Not too late for what? Global cooling? Global warming? Climate change? Weather? Few things have demonstrated quite so clearly to so many people the sheer censorship of the media, including self-censorship. I for one am sick and tired of hearing about "some scientists", "a few scientists", "some emails", "scientists at some little and unimportant university" etc. No, these are the lead authors and primary data source of the IPCC. I'm sick of hearing how it "doesn't change the data" when the emails reveal data already changed and faked. I'm sick of hearing how "peer reviewed" science still agrees, when the emails prove the peer review process was and is hijacked. I'm sick of hearing how "deniers" are funded by big oil, when both big oil, other industries, the massive and growing green industry and government funding for this hoax is 500 times larger than any funding for "deniers". I'm sick of hearing how "other data sources" agree with the faked and fudged data, which strongly suggests those data sources are equally fake. We already have evidence of New Zealand and Australia faking their data by 'adjusting' the raw data in upward sweeping fakery, as NASA continues to block FOIA requests for their data. Yes, this being the same NASA that "didn't notice" a lump of ice the size of California ("sensor creep. Oops") and have been caught repeatedly "adjusting" historical temp' records. I'm sick of hearing about "scientific consensus", as though science were a freakin' democracy, instead of reproducible proof and transparancy of data. I'm sick of hearing about how the emails and code were "hacked" and "stolen", when this data was required by law to be public and they blocked FIOA demands. I'm sick of hearing how the science is "settled" when it's anything but. No scientist anywhere can prove AGW. This is "god of the gaps" science, where the "proof" is "and then something happens we can't explain, so let's blame capitalism and raise taxes". I'm equally sick of hearing how every freakin' weather event or occurence is "the result of manmade global warming, and scientists say such things are likely to get worse", while the fact the Earth has cooled over the last decade is a minor detail that doesn't mean anything. In short, I'M SICK OF YOUR LIES AND YOUR SPIN AND YOUR POLITICALLY-CORRECT BS!! Alan. Let us hope that by the time we are, it is not too late.”

Not too late for what? Global cooling? Global warming? Climate change? Weather?

Few things have demonstrated quite so clearly to so many people the sheer censorship of the media, including self-censorship.

I for one am sick and tired of hearing about “some scientists”, “a few scientists”, “some emails”, “scientists at some little and unimportant university” etc. No, these are the lead authors and primary data source of the IPCC.

I’m sick of hearing how it “doesn’t change the data” when the emails reveal data already changed and faked.

I’m sick of hearing how “peer reviewed” science still agrees, when the emails prove the peer review process was and is hijacked.

I’m sick of hearing how “deniers” are funded by big oil, when both big oil, other industries, the massive and growing green industry and government funding for this hoax is 500 times larger than any funding for “deniers”.

I’m sick of hearing how “other data sources” agree with the faked and fudged data, which strongly suggests those data sources are equally fake. We already have evidence of New Zealand and Australia faking their data by ‘adjusting’ the raw data in upward sweeping fakery, as NASA continues to block FOIA requests for their data. Yes, this being the same NASA that “didn’t notice” a lump of ice the size of California (“sensor creep. Oops”) and have been caught repeatedly “adjusting” historical temp’ records.

I’m sick of hearing about “scientific consensus”, as though science were a freakin’ democracy, instead of reproducible proof and transparancy of data.

I’m sick of hearing about how the emails and code were “hacked” and “stolen”, when this data was required by law to be public and they blocked FIOA demands.

I’m sick of hearing how the science is “settled” when it’s anything but. No scientist anywhere can prove AGW. This is “god of the gaps” science, where the “proof” is “and then something happens we can’t explain, so let’s blame capitalism and raise taxes”.

I’m equally sick of hearing how every freakin’ weather event or occurence is “the result of manmade global warming, and scientists say such things are likely to get worse”, while the fact the Earth has cooled over the last decade is a minor detail that doesn’t mean anything.

In short, I’M SICK OF YOUR LIES AND YOUR SPIN AND YOUR POLITICALLY-CORRECT BS!!

Alan.

]]> By: John Cooper http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77213 John Cooper Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:01:41 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77213 What a strange article! With google hits for "Climategate" almost 33 million today, this article is a joke. As few or none of the main stream press are reporting on this at all (maybe they are not allowed to) this is amazing. More and more people are only just finding out about the collosal scam so the reaction is going to get stronger. The general public has had enough of junk science with political agendas (and being used to pay for it). What a strange article! With google hits for “Climategate” almost 33 million today, this article is a joke. As few or none of the main stream press are reporting on this at all (maybe they are not allowed to) this is amazing. More and more people are only just finding out about the collosal scam so the reaction is going to get stronger. The general public has had enough of junk science with political agendas (and being used to pay for it).

]]> By: james http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77210 james Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:17:27 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77210 you are wrong, climategate is still very much alive, it will not go away, its too late, poeple are waking up just because you fraud deniers don't accept it, don't think for a second that its gone..everybody will go to jail for fraud...you will see ;) you are wrong, climategate is still very much alive, it will not go away, its too late, poeple are waking up
just because you fraud deniers don’t accept it, don’t think for a second that its gone..everybody will go to jail for fraud…you will see ;)

]]> By: Michael http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/12/11/copenhagen-week-one-climategate-china-and-the-obama-nobel-play/comment-page-1/#comment-77209 Michael Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:00:50 +0000 http://redgreenandblue.org/?p=3724#comment-77209 Could the major news media outlets conspiring the keep Climategate out of the news with their pledge be the reason why we don't see as many articles on it now? Could the major news media outlets conspiring the keep Climategate out of the news with their pledge be the reason why we don’t see as many articles on it now?

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