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		<title>By: Where Have All the Flowers Gone? &#8211; Red, Green, and Blue</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2010/02/15/the-looming-immigration-battle-not-that-one-the-more-important-one/comment-page-1/#comment-345805</link>
		<dc:creator>Where Have All the Flowers Gone? &#8211; Red, Green, and Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] industries all over the US.  It was a common, local vegetable.  As doubts developed about the future labor supply ,and as land prices soared, farmers abandoned the crop.  Now we buy asparagus from Peru and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] industries all over the US.  It was a common, local vegetable.  As doubts developed about the future labor supply ,and as land prices soared, farmers abandoned the crop.  Now we buy asparagus from Peru and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>overpopulation is a world wide problem. Allowing more people to come here creates long term problems that has no easy solution. The people who want to come here need to fix the problems where they live and stay there. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>overpopulation is a world wide problem. Allowing more people to come here creates long term problems that has no easy solution. The people who want to come here need to fix the problems where they live and stay there. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Savage</title>
		<link>http://redgreenandblue.org/2010/02/15/the-looming-immigration-battle-not-that-one-the-more-important-one/comment-page-1/#comment-96016</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 15:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandra H, 
The US Economy tanked because of the artificially generated real estate bubble and the unregulated and non-transparent risk markets like &quot;credit default swaps.&quot;  This was something that came down because of the greed and recklessness of Wall Street and the failure of our elected officials to practice oversight.  None of that can be blamed on immigrants.  Also, I&#039;m talking about a future increasing need for immigrants unless we get our own birth rates up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra H,</p>
<p>The US Economy tanked because of the artificially generated real estate bubble and the unregulated and non-transparent risk markets like &quot;credit default swaps.&quot;  This was something that came down because of the greed and recklessness of Wall Street and the failure of our elected officials to practice oversight.  None of that can be blamed on immigrants.  Also, I&#039;m talking about a future increasing need for immigrants unless we get our own birth rates up. </p>
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		<title>By: Sandra H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If immigration is so good for the economy, then why is the US economy tanking? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If immigration is so good for the economy, then why is the US economy tanking? </p>
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		<title>By: Four Great Reasons to Garden (Beyond the Food) : Eat. Drink. Better.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Great Reasons to Garden (Beyond the Food) : Eat. Drink. Better.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 19:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and vegetables, involves serious hand labor that our society demands from a demographic that many deride as &#8220;illegal&#8221; and whom we force to deal with much personal risk and injustice.  Gardening is a slight window on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and vegetables, involves serious hand labor that our society demands from a demographic that many deride as &#8220;illegal&#8221; and whom we force to deal with much personal risk and injustice.  Gardening is a slight window on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MaryJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a green blog if it promotes mass immigration into the US, period. California has suffered massive environmental degradation in the past 30 years and most of it has been due to out-of-control population growth. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a green blog if it promotes mass immigration into the US, period. California has suffered massive environmental degradation in the past 30 years and most of it has been due to out-of-control population growth. </p>
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		<title>By: MaryJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: If you can&#039;t see that we&#039;re importing poverty by the bushelfull from Third World countries, you obviously don&#039;t live in a border state, or you live in an upper middle class gated community far from the Third World chaos we lesser beings must contend with every day. 

I agree with Jack: Third World uneducated immigrants ae not generally a boon to a First World economy. They will not support  us in our dotage: more likely, we will be forced to work into our 70s to support THEM. This is already happening in some countries in Europe where they pay lavish welfare benefits to newly come,unskilled and uneducated immigrants and their children, while at the same time, they are increasing the minimum retirement age for the native.Holland had a huge bitter debate about this only very recently.   

Plus, Third World immigrants are people with their own interests, just like we are. Do you really think that millions of Third Worlders are going to want to support old white First World people in their dotage? No, they won&#039;t. Once they get voting power they will simply vote to deprive all the old white people of their Social Security and Medicare so they can spend more money on their own children. That&#039;s just human nature. We already see this happening with the Latino organizations supporting Obamacare for illegal Latino immigrants, at the expense of cutting 500 billion dollars from Medicare that benefits mostly old white people. This trend will continue -- it&#039;s just human nature. No culture on earth wants to work a good part of their lives to support another culture&#039;s old folks, especially when it would come at the expense of their own children. 

Secondly, with family reunification, younger immigrants can import their own old people and put them directly on our social security. A good example is Obama&#039;s illegal immigrant Aunt Zeituni who lives in public housing, receives welfare, is 57 years old, and does not work. How is Aunt Zeituni contributing to a &quot;younger&quot; workforce? How are the parents, uncles and aunts, and grandparents of today&#039;s illegal immigrants going to contribute to a &quot;younger&quot; workforce once they are imported by their younger legalized relatives? They won&#039;t at all. 

Lastly I think it is very odd to see pro-immigration, open borders shilling on a blog supposedly devoted to environmental issues. The environmental degradation due to overpopulation that I have seen occur in California over just the past 30 years has been breathtaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: If you can&#8217;t see that we&#8217;re importing poverty by the bushelfull from Third World countries, you obviously don&#8217;t live in a border state, or you live in an upper middle class gated community far from the Third World chaos we lesser beings must contend with every day. </p>
<p>I agree with Jack: Third World uneducated immigrants ae not generally a boon to a First World economy. They will not support  us in our dotage: more likely, we will be forced to work into our 70s to support THEM. This is already happening in some countries in Europe where they pay lavish welfare benefits to newly come,unskilled and uneducated immigrants and their children, while at the same time, they are increasing the minimum retirement age for the native.Holland had a huge bitter debate about this only very recently.   </p>
<p>Plus, Third World immigrants are people with their own interests, just like we are. Do you really think that millions of Third Worlders are going to want to support old white First World people in their dotage? No, they won&#8217;t. Once they get voting power they will simply vote to deprive all the old white people of their Social Security and Medicare so they can spend more money on their own children. That&#8217;s just human nature. We already see this happening with the Latino organizations supporting Obamacare for illegal Latino immigrants, at the expense of cutting 500 billion dollars from Medicare that benefits mostly old white people. This trend will continue &#8212; it&#8217;s just human nature. No culture on earth wants to work a good part of their lives to support another culture&#8217;s old folks, especially when it would come at the expense of their own children. </p>
<p>Secondly, with family reunification, younger immigrants can import their own old people and put them directly on our social security. A good example is Obama&#8217;s illegal immigrant Aunt Zeituni who lives in public housing, receives welfare, is 57 years old, and does not work. How is Aunt Zeituni contributing to a &#8220;younger&#8221; workforce? How are the parents, uncles and aunts, and grandparents of today&#8217;s illegal immigrants going to contribute to a &#8220;younger&#8221; workforce once they are imported by their younger legalized relatives? They won&#8217;t at all. </p>
<p>Lastly I think it is very odd to see pro-immigration, open borders shilling on a blog supposedly devoted to environmental issues. The environmental degradation due to overpopulation that I have seen occur in California over just the past 30 years has been breathtaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Californian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Californian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In California we&#039;ve led the nation in this disastrous experiment.  We&#039;ve created communities where the reason the rape and murder rates are low is because people don&#039;t leave their homes after dark except to quickly get in their cars.  &quot;GATED COMMUNITIES&quot; are the all the new rage in southern California.  I dare the author to live in one of our &quot;great&quot; sprawl communities.   
 
This author is dubious and the article is straight propaganda.  THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA.  Everything here is over-crowded, our environment, freeways, schools, clean air, water resources are stretched to the maximum.  We do not need more people, and specifically we do not need more unskilled immigrants.  We have enough cheep young labor (that are having children like they&#039;re human copy machines) to last the next 100 years. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In California we&#039;ve led the nation in this disastrous experiment.  We&#039;ve created communities where the reason the rape and murder rates are low is because people don&#039;t leave their homes after dark except to quickly get in their cars.  &quot;GATED COMMUNITIES&quot; are the all the new rage in southern California.  I dare the author to live in one of our &quot;great&quot; sprawl communities.  </p>
<p>This author is dubious and the article is straight propaganda.  THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA.  Everything here is over-crowded, our environment, freeways, schools, clean air, water resources are stretched to the maximum.  We do not need more people, and specifically we do not need more unskilled immigrants.  We have enough cheep young labor (that are having children like they&#039;re human copy machines) to last the next 100 years. </p>
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		<title>By: Bettybb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bettybb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do need to revise our immigration system. 
 
1. We must enforce our laws, and uphold our values. We stand for the rule of law and no one is above it. We will not give preferential immigration treatment to lawbreakers over law abiding people coming here legally. Therefore, illegal aliens must be forced to leave. 
 
2. We must mandate E Verify for every employer for current and future employees. 
 
3. We must abolish family reunfication as a basis for immigration and go after the most educated immigrants. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do need to revise our immigration system.</p>
<p>1. We must enforce our laws, and uphold our values. We stand for the rule of law and no one is above it. We will not give preferential immigration treatment to lawbreakers over law abiding people coming here legally. Therefore, illegal aliens must be forced to leave.</p>
<p>2. We must mandate E Verify for every employer for current and future employees.</p>
<p>3. We must abolish family reunfication as a basis for immigration and go after the most educated immigrants. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Estoban, 
Most of the models don&#039;t have &quot;healthy replacement rates&quot;  I know there is concern about Muslim majorities in Europe, but not enough to get people to have kids even with government incentives.  Most of the gloom and doom projections about Muslims assume no conversion or secularization in subsequent generations.  That isn&#039;t realistic. 
 
Throughout our more than two hundred years as a nation we have actually benefited from both skilled and unskilled immigration. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estoban,</p>
<p>Most of the models don&#039;t have &quot;healthy replacement rates&quot;  I know there is concern about Muslim majorities in Europe, but not enough to get people to have kids even with government incentives.  Most of the gloom and doom projections about Muslims assume no conversion or secularization in subsequent generations.  That isn&#039;t realistic.</p>
<p>Throughout our more than two hundred years as a nation we have actually benefited from both skilled and unskilled immigration. </p>
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